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we're here today with Sean Logan director of College counseling at Phillips Academy Sean one big question that students often have is how selectivity should weigh on the college college search process can you talk talk through how selectivity matters sure so colleges tend to fall in three different categories non-selective schools and with a non-selective school that generally means that if students meet a minimum GPA and have a typically a you know a set of courses that that school is looking for and an SAT score that they're going to be admitted so if they meet the minimum they're admitted and that's the great majority of schools that are out there there are selective schools and selective by definition means they have more applications than spots at their school so they have to make some decisions selective is generally categorized say admitting between 40% and 80% of their applicants and then finally the last category is highly selective these schools tend to have many more applicants than they have spaces so they have to make very difficult choices and they're they're typically admitting less than 40% of their applicants all the way down to the most selective school in the country last year admitted 5% of its applicants so those are the three different categories that are out there great and can you talk us through in each of these categories maybe in a little bit more detail who is it that makes it into a highly selective school versus a selective versus a non selective sure so I think in terms of a non selective school it is you know if you sort of meet the minimum criteria that they put forward and again it's probably going to be a certain certain number of classes in history and math and science and languages and so forth you're going to be admitted so again that's the great majority of schools that are out there when you get into the selective and highly selective institutions I think both of those are gonna start with your academics right so and and what I mean by that is you know have you challenged yourself in your in your current high school so have you taken a very strong academic program and gone above the minimum so again if it only requires two years of science have you taken four if you haven't what have you taken in place of that are they good strong academic classes and so forth so both selective and high schools are going to look at the strength of your academics the better student you are so if you're sort of an a a - student in a very good program in your high school you're probably going to be a pretty good applicant for a highly selective school if you're a B B+ student you know or solid B student in your high school in a good program you're probably going to be competitive for a selective school now that's a very broad generalization but just to give you some context that's certainly part of it and then from there these schools are also gonna look at you know a number of other things that may include things like your teacher recommendations your extracurricular activities they may also look at your you know essays if they require them all of these things will go into you know their decision making process but in general if you're sitting out there trying to decide you know what kinds of school should I be looking at it certainly will be academically driven test scores again especially if you're a low income student tend to be looked at within the context just like everything else will be so if you're a student from a low-income family you know the school is going to look at you in context of the resources you have and and really evaluate your taste testing based off of that if you're from a high-income family that's highly educated you know you're gonna be evaluated based on that type of thing so testing is something for any student they should study they should work at to try to get the best scores they can but they will be looked at in context great and Shaun sort of implicit in this conversation is the idea that it's it's beneficial to go to more versus less selective schools can you talk us through what some of the benefits are of if you are academically ready going to a more selective school you know what I would say to you is there there are a lot of benefits to sort of pushing yourself you already have done that in your high school context if you are you know gonna be competitive for a selective or highly selective school you've already taken good courses you've pushed yourself you've done those things to put yourself in a position to apply to these kinds of schools and these schools have benefits that that may really benefit you and in what you want your college experience those things tend to be things like really good financial aid packages I've had many students who have actually gone to very expensive schools and paid much less than they would have at their local public school the opportunities there in terms of the school has you know a two billion dollar endowment versus a hundred million dollar endowment the resources are very very different and what you can expect at that school in terms of laboratory spaces in terms of you know dormitories in terms of the student body that's there the population of you know the who you will be going to school with at these schools tends to be much more diverse on a lot of levels so so economically racially geographically in a lot of different ways that will benefit you and your educational process so you know again thinking about pushing yourself and applying to these selective and highly selective schools can really open doors for you that you you may not know exist right now they tend to have opportunities in terms of their career resources that you know so Career Services I mean so as you're leaving school in fact a lot of these schools now are starting in freshman year with you and sort of getting prepared preparing helping you prepare your resume getting you to do interviews and really thinking about as you go through your four years also thinking about your career after that and again they have the resources to do that the University of Chicago has has upwards of 40 people in their career Resource Center to help students you know with their career after and that's just an astonishing number great John thank you so much