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we're here today with Sean Logan director of College counseling at Phillips Academy and Sean can you tell students a little bit more about the difference between a university versus a liberal arts college sure I get this question a lot from my students I think the quick answer to this and the simple answer is is that a university while it also has a four-year undergraduate program and a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor science program it also has graduate schools attached to it so things like business and law medical schools and so forth so you know schools like Ohio State or University of Michigan Stanford University you know and so forth are universities that have both the undergraduate and all the graduate programs liberal arts colleges on the other hand tend to be smaller schools and only focusing on undergraduate degrees so that four-year undergraduate degree so I used to work at Occidental College Los Angeles Williams College in Massachusetts both of those schools were you know undergraduate schools with about 2,000 students and all their focus being on the students who were there and again the degree you get as a four-year degree but they didn't have any graduate program so that's the simple answer but there are more differences between them and that doesn't actually hold true for every school but in general that works at a university for instance they tend to have very broad curriculum so for instance within say a biology department there may be four or five different biology majors within that biology department whereas at a liberal arts institution it typically might be biology and biochem and that's it so the curriculum is more specialized a little bit more focused say in a liberal arts school not quite as many options you know in a university you can also get pre professional degrees so things like architecture engineering and so forth are opportunities that universities give you whereas liberal arts schools again focus in the liberal arts and they will say that their strengths are that they teach critical thinking in critical writing skills basically lifetime learning skills and coming out of from a liberal arts degree again they'll those schools typically feel like they prepare you for about anything in the world as it's now constituted other sorts of things universities there tend they're going to have you know a lot of research money coming into them students could get undergraduate research opportunities they're in the sciences the humanities the social sciences liberal arts schools certainly have that opportunity as well but probably not quite to the same extent but not always there are some liberal arts schools that a phenomenal research opportunity so you need to look closely universities also tend to have again within their curriculum their their style of teaching especially in the first two years tends to be larger class sizes maybe two to four hundred students in a lecture hall in a discussion kind of section with teaching assistants doing sort of the smaller discussions whereas again liberal arts colleges tend to be again maybe 18 to 20 students in a class they're gonna have very discussion based discussion based courses and styles of learning so again it's it's a bit to what the student feels like is their best learning opportunity and again liberal arts schools and universities are both gonna have a pretty wide array of opportunities both extracurricular Lee in terms of theater music arts athletics those sorts of things but you know universities tend to have Division one sports and you know small liberal arts schools tend to be sort of a Division three type program so there's a lot of differences there both are really well-respected degrees one is not considered stronger than another great John thank you so much